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Honest Argument: Creationism is pure faith and defies reason.
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Creationism is pure faith and defies reason.

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Creationism is pure faith and defies reason.  Creationism is pure faith and defies reason.
       Reason and physical evidence must be set aside and ignored to believe in Creationism.  Reason and physical evidence must be set aside and ignored to believe in Creationism.
              This statement is made with no supporting evidence; circular reasoning has been commited  This statement is made with no supporting evidence; circular reasoning has been commited
       Creationism is mythology  Creationism is mythology
              Biblical texts are amongst the most accurate historcial documents the world has ever seen.  Biblical texts are amongst the most accurate historcial documents the world has ever seen.
                     Biblical accuracy is called into question by "apocryphal" texts  Biblical accuracy is called into question by "apocryphal" texts
                            Apocryphal texts not valid  Apocryphal texts not valid
                     Biblical references to supernatural events engenders skepticism  Biblical references to supernatural events engenders skepticism
                            This can be attributed to mistranslation or a lack of scientific knowledge  This can be attributed to mistranslation or a lack of scientific knowledge
                            Based on the simple assertion, "God exists", anything can happen based on the power of said God  Based on the simple assertion, "God exists", anything can happen based on the power of said God
                     The biblical account of genesis is inconsistent with science  The biblical account of genesis is inconsistent with science
                            The creation account of Genisis is not inconsistent with science  The creation account of Genisis is not inconsistent with science
                                   Confirmation bias is present with creation theology  Confirmation bias is present with creation theology
                     Biblical texts are highly contradictory  Biblical texts are highly contradictory
       creation by science does not exist  creation by science does not exist
              You presuppose we have reached the limit of scientific knowledge  You presuppose we have reached the limit of scientific knowledge

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Bueller?

I don't think you're going to get many arguments against (at least among the marginally literate).

Comment by: elephantintheroom At: 2008-07-11 05:14:57



Re: node: Supporting text of argument is too vague, brief, and u

J-Luck - I've deleted this node.

The moderator's "[Failure] to establish lack of Biblical credibility" is no less invalid than your failure to establish proof of Biblical credibility.

The gradual exposition of the topic will ultimately point in one direction or the other

Comment by: Ulysses Berman At: 2008-08-02 16:22:59



Re: node: This statement is made with no supporting evidence; ci

Ironically, the source you cite for the circular reasoning fallacy uses the following as its first example:

Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."


http://www.nizkor.org/...

Comment by: coolgeek At: 2008-08-02 16:31:38



Re: node: Biblical texts are amongst the most accurate historcia

Biblical texts contain some of the most dramatic fallacious arguments in history.

Appeal to authority, appeal to popularity, appeal to tradition, appeal to belief, appeal to pity, false dilemma, keep going, there are many, many more. Rhetoric, analogy and emotive persuasion rule. The scare tactics of heaven or hell, and the red herrings of the different texts, along with the fact that no more texts were admitted to the bible after the emporer ordered 50 bound copies means it is an incomplete work. No more could ever be added after that.
Consider the appeal to patriotism and nationality it holds now, and the controversy of church and state.
There are many bibles, each saying a different version of the original. Is God still changing it's mind and telling a newer story with each passing era? How strange. I will have to ask Buddha about this development, or Yahweh, or The Great Spirit, or Zeus.

Comment by: shachac At: 2008-08-04 23:21:08



Re: comment: Re: node: This statement is made with no supporting

Yes, begging the question.
There is also a slippery slope here: If we don't believe in god, we will be unfaithful, then we will wind up in hell, and we will suffer for eternity.
How many people I wonder have sworn on a bible in Court, just to lie..hence perjury. Will they go to hell too?
Isn't that a false dilemma? Swear and tell the truth, period. Lie, and there goes your soul to hell. Hmm., only 2 options. Whatever happened to limbo and purgatory I wonder?

Comment by: shachac At: 2008-08-05 00:45:17



Re: node: Based on assumption of anything is possible, anything

Based on a simple ASSUMPTION, God exists, anything is possible within the realm of God. Based on the assumption that anything is possible, anything is possible within any realm.
God is a subjective belief, based on an assumption.
There are over 7500 gods in our history, so which one(s) are we talking about?
It is interesting to note that Jesus, ("God" the all powerful, all loving Supreme father's son) just got noticed about 2008 years ago.
There has been a lot of persecution and bloodshed for eternal peace and forgiveness. Of course I guess the salvation of one's soul is worth a little slaughter here and there to change minds to the correct way of thinking.


Comment by: shachac At: 2008-08-05 00:55:59



Re: node: Original sin

shachac - yikes, you have to work on this

Besides reading like a comment, you don't explain how "original sin" supports the thesis. It would also help if you defined original sin, as there are many different interpretations.

I've included the full text of the node below so you can reference it in another try. But I had to remove the node because it doesn't work as is.

"Hi,

It is interesting to note that not many faithful followers of religion even are aware of the original sin in the bible, the one that "cast Adam and Eve" out of the Garden of Eden. It is not what most people think it is.

Not many are aware of the definition of the word 'sin' either. That is one worth looking up.

I personally am not fond of the idea that 'man' was made in God's image and woman is a rib bone meant to keep him company and reproduce. I guess that means God is a man? How strange that is, considering the time the Bible was "written by God".
Who came up with this stuff anyway?

The herd mentality is astounding when it comes to the HOLY anything. Holy water, Holy Grail, Holy Spirit, Holy Bible."

Comment by: Ulysses Berman At: 2008-08-05 19:01:24



The creation account of Genesis is consistent with science

1. I can't even refute this statement, due to lack of an actual statement! You've supported 0% of your argument point here. Petitio principii.

2. This is simply not true. The word "day" in the Genesis creation account has three meanings in Hebrew:
1. A 12 hour period, 2. A 24 hour period, and 3. A period of time defined by two distinct events.

The third one makes the most sense and fits in well with Science.

Comment by: J-Luck At: 2008-08-06 13:24:46



Re: comment: The creation account of Genesis is consistent with

The biblical accounting of creation is inconsistent with physics in many ways (see http://blog.faithnscience.com/... for one example). Any fiction, no matter how ludicrous, can be made to seem consistent with reality if we take enough poetic license. See for example,Volume 25, Number 3, May June of the Skeptical Inquirer (http://www.csicop.org/...), where random versus were generated to sound like Nostradamus Quatrains. Lots of people were able to fit these Quatrains to current events.

Comment by: kuzyk At: 2008-08-06 20:30:26



Thesis is incomplete

Creationism is a multifaceted belief system, with different creationists espousing different facets. Some creationists are young-Earth creationists, some are not. Some creationists reject all of evolutionary theory, others reject only macroevolution. Some creationists confuse evolution to include ideas about abiogenesis, others know better. We can't have a cogent discussion about creationism without a working definition.

Comment by: MackTuesday At: 2009-01-28 17:01:00



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