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Honest Argument: Environmentalists are responsible for our dependence on foreign oil
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Environmentalists are responsible for our dependence on foreign oil

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Environmentalists are responsible for our dependence on foreign oil  Environmentalists are responsible for our dependence on foreign oil
       Environmentalists have been trying to free us from foreign oil since the 70's  Environmentalists have been trying to free us from foreign oil since the 70's
              Environmentalists have long advocated renewable energy sources  Environmentalists have long advocated renewable energy sources
                     Carter put solar panels on the White House and Reagan tore them down  Carter put solar panels on the White House and Reagan tore them down
       Environmentalists are preventing U.S. domestic oil drilling and production  Environmentalists are preventing U.S. domestic oil drilling and production
              Domestic production would reduce American dependence on foreign oil  Domestic production would reduce American dependence on foreign oil
                     If we could drill anywhere off of our own coasts, we would be less dependent on imports  If we could drill anywhere off of our own coasts, we would be less dependent on imports
                            Tourism destinations are the reason for the moratorium  Tourism destinations are the reason for the moratorium
                                   Polls showing increased support for offshore drilling  Polls showing increased support for offshore drilling
                                          This is the logical fallacy ad populum  This is the logical fallacy ad populum
                                                 clearly not ad populum  clearly not ad populum
                                   Many more will benefit than those who will sacrifice  Many more will benefit than those who will sacrifice
                            The moratorium only affects 21% of possible drilling sites  The moratorium only affects 21% of possible drilling sites
                            Offshore oil production highly susceptible to weather damage  Offshore oil production highly susceptible to weather damage
                     If we could drill in ANWR, we would be less dependent on foreign oil.  If we could drill in ANWR, we would be less dependent on foreign oil.
                            ANWR oil would take 10 years to come to market and the impact would be negligible.  ANWR oil would take 10 years to come to market and the impact would be negligible.
                                   It would take less than 5 years to get significant oil from ANWR  It would take less than 5 years to get significant oil from ANWR
                     American domestic oil could never match foreign oil  American domestic oil could never match foreign oil
                            America doesn't need to match foreign imports  America doesn't need to match foreign imports
                                   Greater production would have a greater impact  Greater production would have a greater impact
                                          This assumes domestic oil will be sold at a discount in the U.S.  This assumes domestic oil will be sold at a discount in the U.S.
                                                 U.S. oil companies exporting products instead of increasing domestic supply  U.S. oil companies exporting products instead of increasing domestic supply
                     More domestic production just goes on the world market at market rates  More domestic production just goes on the world market at market rates
                            Increased domestic production impact gas prices less than $0.10 per gallon  Increased domestic production impact gas prices less than $0.10 per gallon
              Nixon created the EPA amid virtually unanimous support  Nixon created the EPA amid virtually unanimous support
                     Environmental disasters lead to environmental legislation  Environmental disasters lead to environmental legislation
              Weather and geological events incur great environmental damage  Weather and geological events incur great environmental damage

Comments:




smartypants

hope you don't mind that I did a little structural work

Comment by: Ulysses Berman At: 2008-07-09 21:53:52



Re: node: Environmentalists have been trying to free us from for

I would rework this as "Environmentalists have been trying to free us from ALL oil since the 70's"

Comment by: coolgeek At: 2008-07-10 20:58:09



Re: comment: Re: node: Environmentalists have been trying to fre

Coolgeek,

I agree with your premise, but I felt this argument was more in tune with our current national dialogue.

Comment by: smartypants At: 2008-07-13 06:49:55



J-luck

"Merely liberal rhetoric" is insufficient.

I changed the node to "It would take less than 5 years to get significant oil from ANWR". You indicate that "many studies" show otherwise. Please cite at least one.

I also split out your "inundation" assertion into a separate node

Comment by: Ulysses Berman At: 2008-08-02 15:19:51



Re: node: Polls showing increased support for offshore drilling

J-Luck - when you claim support from polls, you need to cite at least one.

Furthermore, your appeal to popularity is most certainly a logical fallacy, even if you're just using it to refute a claim of unpopularity (itself an ad populum).

As such, I'm removing your node "VERY CLEARLY NOT A Populum".

More importantly, you misunderstood the node you were refuting. The node was not arguing unpopularity, it was arguing concerns that spills or other pollutants would damage the tourist economy generated by these coastal regions.

I suggest, then, that you rethink the "Polls showing increased support for offshore drilling" or remove it (which you'll have to ask me to do since it has a child that you can't delete)

Comment by: Ulysses Berman At: 2008-08-05 18:28:23



Re: comment: Re: node: Polls showing increased support for offsh

Ad populum suggests that a point is correct merely because the populus believe the point to be true. You may delete the poll argument, however, you must keep in mind that you are still not correct, and it was clearly not ad populum.

Comment by: J-Luck At: 2008-08-06 13:28:55



Re: comment: J-luck

Will be glad to oblige, many scientists agree with my statement. I'll try to find multiple sources by tommorrow and link them in.

Comment by: J-Luck At: 2008-08-06 13:31:52



Re: comment: Re: node: Polls showing increased support for offsh

I didn't misunderstand the node. The user was arguing that people don't want tourism to be threatened, that if you googled the term, you would find that is was an unpoular idea.

I was merely refuting this.

Comment by: J-Luck At: 2008-08-06 13:34:10



Re: comment: Polls showing increased support for offsh

J-Luck -

I concede that the node was inelegantly worded. But let's take a closer look at it.

Tourism destinations are the reason for the moratorium

Just google "offshore drilling tourism" and you'll see who opposes offshore drilling - the people whose economy depends on their beautiful beaches and the tourists it attracts.


The title of the node "Tourism destinations are the reason for the moratorium" implies nothing about popularity.

The body of the node supports the title by noting the economic dependency on tourism. Yes, it begins with a reference to who opposes it, but that's clearly a secondary point.

The best you can hope for here is that the node comprises two assertions, the lesser of which was an ad populum.

Comment by: Ulysses Berman At: 2008-08-06 22:49:22



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