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Argument: Argument thesis  A personal God does not exist
Node type: Node refutes parent assertion  This node refutes its parent
Parent Node: Node refutes parent assertion  Subjective experiences are unreliable
Node Text: Truth exists indepently of "facts"

"Subjective experiences are unreliable" argument amounts to saying that objectively obtained truth is more true than subjectively obtained truth. Regardless of which means is better, truth is truth independently of how it was obtained. No examples necessary, right?

Arguably, all "facts" are subjectively appropriated -- even if objectively acquired -- and are therefore subject to the same errors in everyday use.

Another argument is that there is no such thing as true objectivity. We live in subjectivity, and objectivity is an illusion to which we cling in order to avoid the fearful unknowns of our existence. Objective knowledge may never bring us into a face-to-face with God, but at least we can say that we made do with what we had! How convincing is this argument to two men on a desert island: one steadfastly building a "prayer" to the heavens, writing H E L P with logs in the sand; the other building a raft to float himself to safety.

I suppose either could be saved, but are you ready to condemn the man who struggles in "prayer" versus the one who tries to escape on his own?

I suppose you'll say... "But objective knowledge taught him of airplanes!" But did it teach him one would eventually fly over his island? There are plenty of people in this world who will insist that God is out there. But how many people believe in God who have not had what they believe is a personal experience with God?

You cannot dismiss the subjective without dismissing all of humanity's thoughts, hopes, desires, dreams, along with it.
Node Created: dbmartin00 — 2008-08-10 20:22:53

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